About this podcast

Join The Vergecast as host Nilay Patel interviews Carl Pei, CEO of Nothing, about the launch of the Phone 2 and the company's ambitious vision for the future of gadgets. Pei discusses his mission to make technology fun and inspiring again, addressing the current stagnation in innovation within the smartphone market. The conversation delves into the challenges new companies face in a landscape dominated by tech giants and how Nothing aims to disrupt this by focusing on user experience and pushing boundaries. Get insights into the philosophy driving Nothing and Carl Pei's perspective on restoring optimism in the technology sector.